Do this until the rhythm is consistent and you can reproduce it at will. I couldnât believe it would work for all songsâcould it? An alternative way to count in numbers would be: 1,2 (Slow), 3,4 (Quick, Quick). The order can be subtleâoften very, very subtleâbut itâs there, even if you canât hear it. . If you do another six beat pattern youâll finish it on the 30th beat of the major phrase (24 + 6 = 30) and have two beats left. Sets of 8 are important to dancers for a number of reasons but most importantly because they identify and define the underlying beat of the music. Arcane Technical Info: Some dancers count tempo in measures per minute (MPM). Phrasing in dance is dancing to the structure of the music, particularly to the major phrases. Her reply, was just what you explain in this page, she added however the way you count waltz. While we want to hit our feet and "lines" on the beats, the dancing itself happens in between the beats. Especially for a non-musican. It consisted of 8 counts. To get started, spend time with a teacher or friend listening to a variety of music. 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and). After you can hear the sets of 8 you should work on hearing the major phrases (see âphrasingâ below and see the box above at the end of Chapter 2, âAdvanced Info Alert: Intro to Phrasing”). If you have some sheet music, look for the time signature … While you can start a dance on any odd beat (counts 1, 3, 5 and 7), it will feel best if you start on a count 1. Rosa, itâs best for dancers to count waltz music in sets of 6. I found the dancing ball video a bit of an effort to follow, although I guess it works. Now, as a teacher, I notice that many students, across varying ages and skill levels, struggle with the musical components of dance instruction. Counting rhythm can vary in difficulty because some songs are very syncopated or in strange meters, but in general, if you develop your basic counting skills of whole beats and "and" beats, you will be able to apply your knowledge to any piece of music and perform your dancing at a higher level. . Like sets of 8, the natural pairing of measures is just in the count of the music. Even after I realized that sets of 8 existed, it took many, many months of listening and practicing and getting confirmation from others before I could hear the structure and it became second nature. If you want to count how many sets of 8 go by, count the second set like this: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8; count the third like this: 3, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8; count the fourth set like this: 4, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and so on. Each measure it then made up of 1 or more notes. A major phrase is a specific number of sets of 8 to create something like a chorus or verse. . I just can’t figure out what they are looking for. If I predict correctly, it gets confirmed by hearing the accent on the next count 1 and the feeling that, thematically, a new sentence has started. Listening By Ear Eliminate distractions. Hearing accented beats, measures and sets of 8 is tricky. “When the music tip toes, we tip toe! Examine the music's time signature. Freebie Video: There are some short videos on my website that count out 32-beat phrases. After you do four step patterns you would be at the 24th beat of the major phrase (4 X 6 = 24). Practice counting basic note length by saying or … If music gets too complicated or is the exception to the rule, itâs probably not the best music for social dancing. I thought that maybe it was a trick; perhaps he was the bandâs manager or something. Nahhh . I wanted to label this discussion on the musicianâs measure as an Advanced Info Alert as it may be too much information. Your email address will not be published. Teachers always start a class dancing on a count 1 of the music. 2. Iâm pretty sure the concepts of musicality, syncopation and phrasing will also apply like in all other dance music, but if there are any tango aficionados who want to set me straight, please weigh in. Any suggestions/insight would be appreciated. nahh, I take that back; just stick with sets of 8. Letâs go back to the 24th beat. Thread starter ... Start date Jul 16, 2004; S. ShyDancer New Member. 1. In waltz, two 3-beat measures are naturally paired to create a set of 6 (the same way that two 4-beat measures are naturally paired to create a set of 8). The beat of the music is established by the percussion instruments, like drums. Any other counting a teacher does is probably counting step patterns, not the music. Also, try to get feedback to make sure you’re doing it right. Musicality has to do with your connection to the musicâhearing something in the music beyond the sets of 8âand your ability to respond, in your dancing, to these things. For beginners, counting music is done off the dance floor when youâre not dancing, to help you connect to the music. You can listen to your own music collection; but also surf the radio dial and music websites that let you sample music, as listening to unfamiliar songs is an important part of the process. When I dance I want to know the phrasing (the âsentenceâ and âparagraphâ structure of the music) so I would count four sets of 6, which is a common 24-beat âparagraphâ or major phrase in waltz, as they go by like this: Using your hands, clap for every beat and count to 4 repeatedly until you feel confident in keeping that rhythm. Just be aware that some songs like Kansas City are 12-bar blues, which means 6 8-counts to a phrase, and take longer to get to the end of the phrase. For me, hearing sets of 8 is a two-part approach. To verify if you are correct, you can always double the tempo of your metronome. These two measures equal a total of 8 counts, which is why dancers count in sets of 8. This exercise helps you find the beat and get better dancing to music. That all adds up to 32 beats in total to make up the entire phrase (4 X 8 = 32). It pertains only to the structure of the musicânot the step pattern being dancedâand virtually all dance music is counted the same. He also said one could go an entire song without ever doing “his” basic by doing any number of variations after every count of 2. If you start a waltz on count 4 (the first beat of the second 3-beat measure) you will be on the beat but off-phrase. For me as a beginner, counting music was hard to pin down becauseâwell, because nobody ever told me how to do it. Not only is it rarely taught in a class, except for one situation (when a teacher counts you in to start a dance, discussed at the end of this chapter), itâs rarely heard in class. http://www.newitt.freeserve.co.uk/Fisher/RHYTHM1.JPG, How to Develop Vibrato in Your Singing Voice, Differences Between R&B Music Vs. Hip-Hop Music, Copyright 2020 Leaf Group Ltd. All Rights Reserved. Slow takes 1 beat and Quick is 1/2 beat. The Rumba is 4/4 musical measure. . Itâs easier for dancers to just look at the whole pencil. TIP: Sometimes vocals line up nicely with the sets of 8, sometimes not. He counted the music in sets of 8 beats. Itâs remarkable that in seven years of dance lessons, nobody had done this demonstration for me before. To the ear, a set of 8 or mini-phrase usually has a theme: a short piece of melody or harmony with a beginning and an ending. Also common is the 48-beat phrase, which can be described as âsix sets of 8â and is considered standard phrasing for blues music. The way you count the Rumba dance is: “Slow, Quick, Quick” through out. As a rough guide, if the count doesn’t seem obvious after 30 or 40 seconds of trying to count, quickly move on to another song. While you can start a dance on any odd beat (counts 1, 3, 5 and 7), it will feel best if you start on a count 1. ) You may never be the best but, keep training, and you’ll get better over time. These are the between beats, or "ands" (i.e. There are many ways to count music aloud, including the popular use of numbers, “and,” and vowels. Phrasing, … This went on for song after song and, with his guidance, I could hear that every song had the same basic structure of sets of 8. Most music is faster than 60 BPM. Once you develop your ear, which you will over time, a set of 8 will stand out, with integrity, in much the same way a sentence stands out from within a paragraph. You donât even have to shadow dance; when you listen to music for fun just visualize choreography in your head and try to phrase it to the music. One great thing about Argentine Tango is because of the versility of doing a variation every 2 beats a leader can play with steps…like pausing for 2 beats or taking two extra beats to do a longer sexy iconic draw on beat 8. When visualizing this, it helps to look at each … You can listen to your own music collection; but also surf the radio dial and music websites that let you sample music, as listening to unfamiliar songs is an important part of the process. Letâs say youâre dancing to music with 32-beat major phrases, which is four sets of 8 (4 X 8 = 32). If I can hear, thematically, that Iâm coming to the end of a sentence in the music, then I can feel when the next sentence will start. A count 1 stands out because it typically has an emphasis or accent. The count 1 of any set of 8 is the best place to start a dance, because it feels like the beginning of something. This is how we break down and count music. You should also train your ear to hear things like breaks and accents as well as to get the feel of the music and begin to train your body to respond to these different elements of the music. The one exception is waltz, which is covered on pages 74 and 124. When the music … Iâll be gentle. Music also has âparagraphs.â A paragraph in music is often called a phrase of music or, more descriptively, a major phrase. When you have a regular rhythm of a particular value (i.e. I suspected Skippy was involved, but wasn’t sure. Sometimes the accent on the count 1 is an accented vocal, sometimes not. Over the weekend, we had a big training session. Generally, a follower expects you to start on a 1 or a 5. A count 5, the beginning of the second measure, is the next best choice. I now know this ignorance kept me from connecting to the music and stuck at the beginner level, in a rut. Jul 16, 2004 #1 Just how important is the ability to count the music? (Lingo Alert: Sometimes the word âcountâ is omitted and a count 1 is identified as âthe 1 of the musicâ or just âthe 1.â) Moreover, I could hear that the 1s were beginning points that signaled the beginning of something new in the melody. I hate to burden the beginner with musical terms. At that point you will be on the beat but you will be âoff phrase.â. Now, if I canât count sets of 8, I know that Iâm either off the beat or itâs a waltz or itâs not dance music. The beat with more emphasis, however subtle that may be, is the 1. Iâve practiced phrasing a lot when I shadow dance at home, by myself. Lastly, What is the Rumba anyways? For example, a whole note takes up a whole measure, while a half note takes up a half measure, and a quarter note takes up a quarter of a measure. A mini-phrase, like a sentence of words, only tells part of the story. So you may have to practice counting sets of 8 for many weeks or months, which includes getting feedback to make sure you’re doing it correctly. 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and). * Amazon ($12.95)    * Kindle ($2.99 $4.99), â Vince Lombardi, legendary Green Bay Packers coach. Sets of 8 exist because thatâs how musicians compose the music; itâs how they give structure to the music. According to her explanation, waltz is counted, not in 6 but in 3, and to arrive at 8 you do like this: 1-2-3, 2-2-3, 3-2-3, 4-2-3 etc till 8-2-3. I remember the first time I ever heard the structure of music counted, with the help of John, a stranger at a bar. Two genres that are mostly easy music with simple phrasing are big band swing (at slower tempos) and electronic dance music. Learn how your comment data is processed. You're basically just stepping twice. 423â456. This is not easy. While I’m not that familiar with tango music, itâs still counted in sets of 8 like all other dance music (except waltz, which is in sets of 6). As I say in Chapter 2 above, start with easy music, like swing and blues, as you have to hear the sets of 8 in the easy music before you can hear it in the harder stuff. This was a big event for me. In this book, a set of 8 beats looks like this (note that theyâre in pairs, which will make sense after you read the next two chapters): Whether you can hear sets of 8 or not, sets of 8 are âinâ the music. The order matters in the pairing of measures. My guess is that their background is in music. Like the written word, music has themes and these themes are directly related to the musical count. First, using a more left-brain-linear-analytical approach, I try to identify the count 1s, the first beat of a set of 8. Whatâs so important about counting the musical structure? He was just a stranger, first time in town, first time at this joint. Do the 1s and 5s seem to have the same emphasis? Your email address will not be published. Don't concern yourself with speed. Phrasing, the way dancers use the word, refers to the structure of the music. On a piece of paper, write the numbers 1 to 8. Music is mathematical and everything can be divided into even values. Go up to your teachers after tango classes and ask, “I’m having a hard time hearing the beat, can you please count the sets of 8 to the practice music?” Note that it took me about six months before I had a noticeable degree of success in counting sets of 8 and it was closer to two years before I was 100% sure. Furthermore, these "and" beats correspond to transitional movements in dance. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. For me as a beginner, there were three elements. Count the sets of 8. For now, pay attention as your teacher counts you in to start a dance. Use a metronome to pace yourself. He emphasized each count 1 of the music, the first beat of each set of 8, by punching the air with his hand. Sets of 8, which identify the underlying beat and reflect the true structure of the music, are the foundation of counting music. We get more in depth on the 8-count here: What Is Dance Musicality? Where it gets tricky is trying to figure out how many sets of 8 there are in the major phase–it can change throughout the song–and in dealing with extra beats, likes tags and bridges. Practice Counting Rhythms. Commonly, this involves verbally counting the beats in each measure as they occur, whether there be 2 beats, 3 beats, 4 beats, or even 5 beats. The themes of mini-phrases have some integrity, but they donât tell the whole story. Dang it all, counting confused me! Doing so reveals the structure of the music. Musicians and dancers count music in a related but sligtly different way. Focus on accuracy first. Find a pop song that has a strong base/beat. When reading or playing music, it is necessary to be able to count the bars in a song. Tap your foot up and down along with the beat. Was I that detached from the music that no matter how many songs passed me by I couldnât hear the structure that now screams at me? So to count in many country line dances all you need to do is. This is not easy. The kindle version of the book is now on sale for $2.99 (down from $4.99). And variations can happen after any count of two. How do you reconcile fitting 6-beat step patterns around(swing, foxtrot) 8-beat music patterns? I believe part of the problem revolves around what is being counted. As you get better, hopefully your feet will spontaneously improvise syncopations in response to something going on in the music, which would be a demonstration of musicality. Before you can learn to count music, it's important to understand that music is broken up into measures, which are musical units of time. I like numbers, and Iâm a good counter, so it was odd. . Place your hands between your knees. Invariably, the teacher will start the music and then count something like â . If the song has a strong thematic resolution in the last set of 8, a common move and one of my favoritesâitâs easy to do and it’s showy–is to extend a dip for eight beats. Each of these segments is measured in counts of eight beats, or how long it would take to count out "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8" in a rhythmic fashion. The beats for your movements in an aerobic class are linked to the beats in the music. I danced for years feeling awkward about jumping into a dance because I didnât know that virtually all dance music is structured in sets of 8 creating natural, predictable places to start. One set of 8 is also called a mini-phrase, a term coined by dance educator Skippy Blair. When you have a regular rhythm of a particular value (i.e. Need more help? Count the sets of 8. (Ahem, some state it in measures per minute, which I don’t like). General Dance Discussion Counting the music. Hearing the count 1s and the sentence structure in the music is hard. Think of the pairing of measures this way: Break a pencil in half. So a set of 8 is just a combination of two four-beat measures, but sets of 8 work better for dancers because theyâre more closely aligned to the natural structure. Itâs a workable system for dancers . Your website, videos and insight have given me confidence that if I follow Multiply MPM by four to get beats per minute (BPM). Slow(1), Slow(2), Quick(3),Quick(4), Slow(5), Quick(6), Quick (7), Slow(8). Musicians count waltz in 3s to reflect how they create the music, which is in 3-beat measures. Furthermore, these "and" beats correspond to transitional movements in dance. M, thanks for the field report and it’s especially nice to hear it coming from an activity other than ballroom dancing. An example would be a simple forward walk: if you want to arrive on time, you have to initiate a half a beat or a whole beat ahead of time so that you have sufficient preparation to get there on the beat. Most dance music falls in a range of, say, 80 to 160 BPM, which would be 20 to 40 MPM. Hope it helps. I am an amateur bellydancer and I had asked this same question (about counting 8) to my daughter who is a professional ballet dancer. Most pop songs are in 4/4 (“four – four”) time, and musicians group together every four beats as a “bar” or a “measure.” That translates easily into the dance world, where you guys consider every eight beats as an “8-count.” So two bars of music equals one 8-count. The concept of a beginning point was subtle; but if someone identified it for me, I could hear it. Also, work with someone. When trying to listen for a beat by ear, make sure you give … Steps . This one is all about the 8 count in dance. The “pace” of the beat that you refer to is called “tempo.” It’s best stated in beats per minute (BPM). I visualize a partner, go through choreography and try to catch the end of a major phrase. If you don't understand these numbers, don't read this tidbit any further, it will drive you crazy. Freebie Video: Check out my website (ihatetodancec.com and HearTheBeatFeelTheMusic.com) for some video clips, which will help you count sets of 8. Itâs the same way a sentence gives structure to the written word, as youâll see in a moment. 2. It seems I am a little late to the game here but I will answer anyway. Second, if I could hear the structureâif I could count sets of 8âI could confirm that I was on the beat. For some examples of count-in’s used in popular music listen to “Matter of Trust” by Billy Joel, “Good Lovin’” by The Young Rascals, “Let’s Dance” by Chris Montez, or “I Saw Her Standing There” by The Beatles. You will choreograph step patterns in a way that acknowledges the major phrases, which will connect you to the music at a higher level. Heck, most popular music, even the gnarliest rock or rap youâve ever heard, probably shares the same repeatable, predictable sets of 8 as dance music. The count 1 of any set of 8 is the best place to start a dance, because it feels like the beginning of something. I found it interesting that teachers knew just where to start, but I figured thatâs why they were the teachersâthey had a giftâand I was the inept student. In order to marry this dance rhythm to the music, we typically count our steps in "Slows" (S) and "Quicks" (Q), where slow is worth 2 beats and quick is worth just 1 beat. The slow is 2 beats, while the quick is only 1 beat. 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